Sway

Sway

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture

94 episodes

Power, unpacked. “Sway” is a new interview show hosted by Kara Swisher, “Silicon Valley’s most feared and well liked journalist.” Now taking on Washington, Hollywood and the world, Kara investigates power: who has it, who’s been denied it, and who dares to defy it. Every Monday and Thursday, from New York Times Opinion Audio.


  • 26 JUL 2021
    ‘It’s a Tough Time to Be Mayor’: Lori Lightfoot Responds to Her Critics
    34m 20s

    Mayors across the country are facing heat. Bill DeBlasio was New York’s default punching bag (perhaps deservedly) throughout the pandemic. Keisha Lance Bottoms decided to forgo seeking a second term as the mayor of Atlanta. And in Chicago,...

  • 22 JUL 2021
    Robot Therapists? Not So Fast, Says Talkspace C.E.O.
    33m 3s

    Talk therapy has seen a boom during the pandemic. And with mental health chat bots like Woebot on the market and text therapy platforms like Talkspace going public, the possibility of humans outsourcing our behavioral health to algorithmic...

  • 19 JUL 2021
    Kara Goes to the Olympics
    34m 26s

    People love the Olympics. But this year’s Games, which open on Friday, are plagued with controversial suspensions and public pushback, not to mention the pandemic. How did we get here? That’s a question for Dick Pound. He’s a member of the...

  • 15 JUL 2021
    The Ezra Klein Show: Sam Altman on the A.I. Revolution, Trillionaires and the Future of Political Power
    1h 11m 37s

    Kara's on vacation this week, so we're bringing you an episode of another great Times Opinion podcast, 'The Ezra Klein Show.' “The technological progress we make in the next 100 years will be far larger than all we’ve made since we first c...

  • 12 JUL 2021
    The Argument: Not Everyone Is Worried About America's Falling Birthrates
    34m 54s

    Kara's on vacation this week, so we're bringing you an episode of another great Times Opinion podcast, 'The Argument.' U.S. birthrates have fallen by 4 percent, hitting a record low. And it’s not just America — people around the world are...

  • 08 JUL 2021
    Chelsea Handler Has a Message for Straight Men
    29m 7s

    Chelsea Handler says men are “on probation” — at least the ones who don’t seem to grasp how the country’s social justice movement is reshaping how we talk about, well, everything. The female comic has crossed the line in her own career, inc...

  • 01 JUL 2021
    What’s Keeping Biden’s Chief of Staff Up at Night?
    33m 20s

    Ron Klain tells Kara Swisher it’s “everything” — except, apparently the midterms. As White House chief of staff, Klain helps determine how the president spends scarce resources like time and political capital. He and Kara speak at a moment...

  • 28 JUN 2021
    A Guy Fieri Pep Talk
    25m 57s

    Guy Fieri recently inked an $80 million deal with the Food Network, making him the highest-paid chef on cable TV. He did this on the heels of a brutal year for the restaurant industry, which, according to the National Restaurant Association...

  • 24 JUN 2021
    Exercise, and Accept Your ‘Inevitable Demise’
    33m 9s

    The fitness industry has exploded into a nearly $100 billion sector, and Alison Bechdel is among the exercise-obsessed. Bechdel, the cartoonist whose comic strip inspired the Bechdel Test for female representation in Hollywood, says she has...

  • 21 JUN 2021
    Dr. Fauci Claps Back
    32m 39s

    Anthony Fauci doesn’t have a Twitter account. But he does have a lot to say about the recent scrutiny following the release of his emails from 2020 — an especially busy time in his tenure as America’s chief immunologist. Republicans like Ro...

  • 17 JUN 2021
    Is This the Big Tech Breakup We’ve Been Waiting For?
    30m 2s

    Representative David Cicilline’s bipartisan package takes aim at tech companies and would be the biggest antitrust reform in decades. But is it too little, too fragmented and way too late? The tech-savvy Democrat is joining forces with Repu...

  • 14 JUN 2021
    Inside the I.R.S. Files of the Ultra-Wealthy
    37m 10s

    It’s an open secret that the uber-rich don’t pay their fair share in taxes. But Jesse Eisinger and his team at ProPublica have unearthed the numbers to back that up. In “The Secret I.R.S. Files,” they combed through more than 15 years of fe...

  • 10 JUN 2021
    Meet Big Tech’s Tormenter-in-Chief
    32m 32s

    Margrethe Vestager and Kara Swisher have something in common: They both have made it their job to keep watch on Jeff Bezos, Tim Cook, Mark Zuckerberg and the other titans of tech. Vestager does this from her post as the head of the European...

  • 07 JUN 2021
    Silicon Valley’s Thin Skins and Giant Egos
    39m 39s

    From allegations that Bill Gates had been coming on to Microsoft employees to the $22.5 million settlement of a gender discrimination suit against Pinterest, women in Silicon Valley are speaking out against what is still a male-dominated cu...

  • 03 JUN 2021
    Women’s Basketball Is on the Rise. Is Anyone Paying Attention?
    32m 38s

    LeBron James and Steph Curry are household names and brand magnates, but Diana Taurasi and A’ja Wilson haven’t quite reached that level. That’s despite being, respectively, the W.N.B.A.’s career top scorer and reigning MVP. And it’s despite...

  • 27 MAY 2021
    Is Jake Tapper for Sale?
    44m 30s

    AT&T owns CNN — for now. But one day Netflix and Apple could be in a bidding war for the CNN anchor Jake Tapper. That’s Kara's take, anyway. It could be the next step in the streaming wars, and a natural evolution for an increasingly person...

  • 24 MAY 2021
    How Online Sleuths Pantsed Putin
    41m 11s

    It turns out you can use a prank call to expose suspected poisoners, mole patterns to identify a violent demonstrator at a white nationalist rally and online videos to reveal a weapons-smuggling operation to Syrian rebels. At least, Eliot...

  • 20 MAY 2021
    Can Snapchat Win the War Against TikTok?
    42m 24s

    Snap Inc. lost nearly $40 million when it introduced its first pair of camera-laden Spectacles in 2016. But the company’s C.E.O., Evan Spiegel, is trying again. He announced on Thursday that Snap is launching a new version of its Spectacles...

  • 20 MAY 2021
    We're Running a Little Late!
    46s

    Kara's conversation with Snap C.E.O. Evan Spiegel will be coming out at 2 p.m., Eastern today! You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswishe...

  • 17 MAY 2021
    Algorithms Make Fewer Mistakes Than Humans. Why Don't We Trust Them?
    33m 17s

    The Nobel Prize-winning behavioral economist Daniel Kahneman on why human “noise” makes systems less fair. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter...

  • 13 MAY 2021
    Inside the Republican Anti-Transgender Machine
    34m 59s

    A.C.L.U. attorney Chase Strangio on the coordinated strategy behind the more than 100 anti-transgender bills introduced this year. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you...

  • 10 MAY 2021
    Who Wins in a Meme Stock World?
    32m 40s

    Jannick Malling, Public’s co-C.E.O., weighs the risks and rewards of the retail trading boom. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher...

  • 07 MAY 2021
    Inside the Decision on Trump’s Facebook Fate
    42m 52s

    Alan Rusbridger led The Guardian through the Snowden revelations and WikiLeaks. Now, he's on the Facebook Oversight Board. He explains how the decision went down. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episo...

  • 06 MAY 2021
    ‘It’s His Own Damn Fault,’ Frank Luntz Says of Trump and Facebook
    39m 39s

    Veteran Republican pollster Frank Luntz has never felt so gloomy. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher.

  • 03 MAY 2021
    Can Pete Buttigieg Deliver Joe Manchin?
    37m 14s

    Biden's $2 trillion infrastructure plan may depend on it. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher.

  • 29 APR 2021
    Why is So Much Money Moving to Miami?
    35m 45s

    The city might be sinking, but Mayor Francis Suarez is still luring tech bros there. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher.

  • 26 APR 2021
    Why Does the C.I.A. Need Puppets?
    36m 45s

    And where does it get them? The agency’s top technologist, Dawn Meyerriecks, talks spy gear and why Hollywood and Silicon Valley play a critical role in national security. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for a...

  • 22 APR 2021
    The Evolution of Desus & Mero
    35m 12s

    From Twitter to cable TV, the duo is changing the culture of comedy. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher.

  • 19 APR 2021
    She's Taking Jeff Bezos to Task
    36m 39s

    Joy Buolamwini is on a crusade against bias in facial recognition technology, and the powerful companies that profit from it. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can f...

  • 15 APR 2021
    CNN Is in a Post-Trump Slump. What Does That Mean for Don Lemon?
    46m 25s

    The prime-time host on the future of cable news, the urgency of conversations about race and whether CNN is a boys’ club. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find...

  • 12 APR 2021
    A Public Health Lesson for Ron DeSantis, From Harvard
    33m 47s

    Michelle A. Williams, an epidemiologist and Harvard dean, urges politicians to focus on public health if they want a strong economy. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and yo...

  • 08 APR 2021
    A 5 O’Clock Shuttle to Mars?
    28m 58s

    Diana Trujillo, a NASA flight director, discusses the future of space travel and the search for signs of life on the red planet. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you ca...

  • 05 APR 2021
    Is Apple's Privacy Push Facebook's Existential Threat?
    35m 24s

    Apple C.E.O. Tim Cook says it's not. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher.

  • 01 APR 2021
    Why It's Taken Us So Long to Talk About Anti-Asian Racism
    40m 15s

    The writer and poet Cathy Park Hong discusses Asian outrage and why she's seeking power, not assimilation. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitte...

  • 29 MAR 2021
    Amy Klobuchar vs. Silicon Valley
    42m 26s

    The senator presents her case for regulating big tech and why it’s time to "make antitrust cool again." You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @k...

  • 25 MAR 2021
    The Spiritual Teacher Biden’s Campaign Called for Help
    41m 47s

    Glennon Doyle says her role has been to “go get the white women.” You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher.

  • 22 MAR 2021
    What the Heck are NFTs? Let's Ask Beeple.
    48m 20s

    The artist, whose real name is Mike Winklemann, just sold an encrypted digital collage for $69 million. So are non-fungible tokens the next new asset class, or is it all hype? You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information f...

  • 18 MAR 2021
    Airbnb Has a Hate Group Problem Too
    33m 22s

    But it’s not the same as Facebook’s. C.E.O. Brian Chesky discusses why he and Mark Zuckerberg have different consequences to consider. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and...

  • 15 MAR 2021
    Stop Whining About Big Government
    44m 10s

    Economist Mariana Mazzucato says the narrative that the private sector drives innovation is only half the story. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on T...

  • 11 MAR 2021
    Spike Lee Predicts the Future
    44m 52s

    The director of “Da 5 Bloods” talks about why his old movies still resonate, whether an awards snub even matters and how it’s not his job to end racism. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nyti...

  • 08 MAR 2021
    I Asked the Head of Space Force What the Agency Has Done for Me Lately
    28m 48s

    Gen. John Raymond has put up with plenty of mockery. But, he says, there’s nothing funny about protecting U.S. interests from Russian and Chinese anti-satellite technology. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for...

  • 04 MAR 2021
    Stacey Abrams on American Idealism and American Betrayal
    44m 55s

    After she helped win major Democratic victories in Georgia, the right is retaliating, and it’s getting personal. But Abrams says she doesn’t mind; it’s all about the long game. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information...

  • 01 MAR 2021
    If Government Did Its Job We Might Not Need GoFundMe
    26m 27s

    The crowdfunding platform helps people pay their rent and medical bills. Its chief executive, Tim Cadogan, says it was never meant to be a social safety net. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at...

  • 25 FAB 2021
    Sacha Baron Cohen Has a Message for Mark Zuckerberg
    40m 11s

    The actor who, as Borat, drew our attention to racism, misogyny and autocratic propaganda calls out the social media companies who profit off these trends. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at n...

  • 22 FAB 2021
    Lessons on Resilience From Dogs and Dog Sledders
    37m 22s

    The adventurer Blair Braverman has led a team of sled dogs over a 900-mile race in Alaska, seen her skin dissolve in the desert and overcome Covid-19. What makes it all less terrifying? Accepting the unknown. You can find transcripts (post...

  • 19 FAB 2021
    Bonus: Is Kara a Chump?
    21m 13s

    Kara’s conversation yesterday with Oberlin College’s president, Carmen Twillie Ambar, touched on the cost of a college education and why “sticker prices” are so high. She called up Ron Lieber, who writes the “Your Money” column for The Time...

  • 18 FAB 2021
    No Parties. No Sports. How Oberlin College Is Surviving the Pandemic.
    39m 52s

    Colleges across the country are figuring out how Covid has changed the college experience, while parents are struggling to understand why schools haven’t changed their price tag. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more informatio...

  • 15 FAB 2021
    Innovation, Not Trees. How Bill Gates Plans to Save the Planet
    41m 35s

    He has billions to donate for crises from coronavirus to climate change, and more hope now that Trump is out of office. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Ka...

  • 11 FAB 2021
    Fran Lebowitz Isn’t Buying What Jack Dorsey Is Selling
    37m 47s

    The 70-year old social commentator and humorist doesn’t have a smartphone. That doesn’t stop her from having a take on big tech (and everything else). You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytime...

  • 09 FAB 2021
    Bonus: Kara and Nicole Perlroth Debrief on Brad Smith
    24m 22s

    Kara’s conversation on Monday with Microsoft’s president, Brad Smith, touched on Russia, the attack on SolarWinds software and how the U.S. government deals with hacks. She hopped on a call with the Times cybersecurity reporter Nicole Perlr...

  • 08 FAB 2021
    Should Big Tech Stay Out of Politics?
    49m 49s

    The president of Microsoft says "absolutely not" — at least when it comes to his company. Brad Smith discusses Microsoft's new guidelines for political contributions, the six stages of antitrust grief and how corporations — and the U.S. gov...